Comments on: Women of the World Unite! Us girls need to do more to ease the pain http://www.thecommentfactory.com/women-of-the-world-unite-us-girls-need-to-do-more-to-ease-the-pain-1680/ Join And Start Writing Today! Sat, 31 Jul 2010 06:44:42 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: sandra http://www.thecommentfactory.com/women-of-the-world-unite-us-girls-need-to-do-more-to-ease-the-pain-1680/comment-page-1/#comment-1210 sandra Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:18:19 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=1680#comment-1210 As for wanting to be "treated like a lady", I personally find that just another gender role stereotyping trap that I would rather see go away. Hitting someone is never okay, no matter what their gender although I'm sure you could find people that disagree with me on that. I'm not liking your tone implying that women prefer to be lazy, not work, and live off he rhusban'd paycheck - I'm sure there are women that feel that way, but that's created by the fact that so many of us are raised to be stupid and not think. And, just between you and me...I wouldn't really trust anything that's being said on the O'Reilly Factor -or Fox News, for that matter. They tend to filter their newsflow quite radically you know. ;o) As for wanting to be "treated like a lady", I personally find that just another gender role stereotyping trap that I would rather see go away. Hitting someone is never okay, no matter what their gender although I'm sure you could find people that disagree with me on that. I'm not liking your tone implying that women prefer to be lazy, not work, and live off he rhusban'd paycheck – I'm sure there are women that feel that way, but that's created by the fact that so many of us are raised to be stupid and not think.

And, just between you and me…I wouldn't really trust anything that's being said on the O'Reilly Factor -or Fox News, for that matter. They tend to filter their newsflow quite radically you know. ;o)

]]> By: sandra http://www.thecommentfactory.com/women-of-the-world-unite-us-girls-need-to-do-more-to-ease-the-pain-1680/comment-page-1/#comment-1209 sandra Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:11:50 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=1680#comment-1209 *cont* Every day, women in "civilized" countries (whatever that is...) are forced to sit in rape cases in court and describe to a (mostly male) jury what they were wearing, how much they'd been drinking and what their previous sexual history looks like. No one ever bothers to ask the man what he was wearing at the time of the event, funnily enough. Just because it's not defended byt he law doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I understand in England (and maybe also The States, I'm not sure?), those kind of questions aren't allowed in court but here in Sweden, for some reason, they're still considered important -and we're supposed to be the world's #1 in equality between sexes! Also, when it comes to opression in the Middle East, religion is a much bigger factor in those countries compared to here (unless maybe in The States) where religion is incorporated into law and as far as I'm concerned that is also a religious issue -not a cultural one. *cont* Every day, women in "civilized" countries (whatever that is…) are forced to sit in rape cases in court and describe to a (mostly male) jury what they were wearing, how much they'd been drinking and what their previous sexual history looks like. No one ever bothers to ask the man what he was wearing at the time of the event, funnily enough. Just because it's not defended byt he law doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I understand in England (and maybe also The States, I'm not sure?), those kind of questions aren't allowed in court but here in Sweden, for some reason, they're still considered important -and we're supposed to be the world's #1 in equality between sexes! Also, when it comes to opression in the Middle East, religion is a much bigger factor in those countries compared to here (unless maybe in The States) where religion is incorporated into law and as far as I'm concerned that is also a religious issue -not a cultural one.

]]> By: sandra http://www.thecommentfactory.com/women-of-the-world-unite-us-girls-need-to-do-more-to-ease-the-pain-1680/comment-page-1/#comment-1208 sandra Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:11:24 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=1680#comment-1208 While I definitely agree on the fact that the word "feminist" is being seen as negative, I have to strongly disagree on the cultural argument. It generally makes my blood boil when usin the western world tend to see ourselves as the "more cultivated" part of the world and look to the Middle East as a prime example of woman oppression. It's true women are being supressed, yes, but it really doesn't take much to find examples just as bad in the Western world. Rape and abuse might not be defended by the law here, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. *cont* While I definitely agree on the fact that the word "feminist" is being seen as negative, I have to strongly disagree on the cultural argument. It generally makes my blood boil when usin the western world tend to see ourselves as the "more cultivated" part of the world and look to the Middle East as a prime example of woman oppression. It's true women are being supressed, yes, but it really doesn't take much to find examples just as bad in the Western world. Rape and abuse might not be defended by the law here, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. *cont*

]]> By: anna http://www.thecommentfactory.com/women-of-the-world-unite-us-girls-need-to-do-more-to-ease-the-pain-1680/comment-page-1/#comment-1161 anna Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:14:04 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=1680#comment-1161 when a woman has enough money to stand on her own, her relationship to her husband is of equality, thus she does not depend on him and he can not proclaim his authority upon her. statistics or not it is the truth. the fact society makes these women feel bad about themselves doesnt mean that its the right way. when a woman has enough money to stand on her own, her relationship to her husband is of equality, thus she does not depend on him and he can not proclaim his authority upon her. statistics or not it is the truth. the fact society makes these women feel bad about themselves doesnt mean that its the right way.

]]> By: Politics Pete http://www.thecommentfactory.com/women-of-the-world-unite-us-girls-need-to-do-more-to-ease-the-pain-1680/comment-page-1/#comment-1156 Politics Pete Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:12:15 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=1680#comment-1156 What do you mean! women complain that they want more rights but then still want to be treated like ladies! You can't hit a woman but hitting a man is fine! thats equality right???? Also a recent survey said that 95% of all women would secretly prefer to stay at home and not work! Finally i heard on the O'reilly factor that the main complainers about womens pay etc are non-christian surprise surprise!! you atheist liberals will always find something to bitch about. Just get on with your lives without looking for more money - that you hope comrade Obama will dole out to you as you liberals totally fuck this great nation of ours! What do you mean! women complain that they want more rights but then still want to be treated like ladies! You can't hit a woman but hitting a man is fine! thats equality right???? Also a recent survey said that 95% of all women would secretly prefer to stay at home and not work! Finally i heard on the O'reilly factor that the main complainers about womens pay etc are non-christian surprise surprise!! you atheist liberals will always find something to bitch about. Just get on with your lives without looking for more money – that you hope comrade Obama will dole out to you as you liberals totally fuck this great nation of ours!

]]> By: Natasha Proietto http://www.thecommentfactory.com/women-of-the-world-unite-us-girls-need-to-do-more-to-ease-the-pain-1680/comment-page-1/#comment-1152 Natasha Proietto Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:43:18 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=1680#comment-1152 Very true about the cultural boundaries, but it must also be highlighted that while in the West certain laws are more strongly in favour of womens' rights, there are still many aspects of law which undermine the female. For instance, the inability to prove domestic violence and therefore to correctly deal with perpetrators in some cases is still pronounced, even in the most female-friendly societies. Similarly, not all women in non-western countries get a raw deal. If we compartmentalize between Western and 'other' women I am not sure this leads to more success in highlighting the problems they all face, in one way or another. Very true about the cultural boundaries, but it must also be highlighted that while in the West certain laws are more strongly in favour of womens' rights, there are still many aspects of law which undermine the female. For instance, the inability to prove domestic violence and therefore to correctly deal with perpetrators in some cases is still pronounced, even in the most female-friendly societies. Similarly, not all women in non-western countries get a raw deal. If we compartmentalize between Western and 'other' women I am not sure this leads to more success in highlighting the problems they all face, in one way or another.

]]> By: anna http://www.thecommentfactory.com/women-of-the-world-unite-us-girls-need-to-do-more-to-ease-the-pain-1680/comment-page-1/#comment-1151 anna Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:05:29 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=1680#comment-1151 this is interesting and very enlightening. i also find it optimistic that women are still feminists in some parts of the world. at the same time there are 2 aspects which are not mentioned here the 1 is the global regression- females who are afraid to admit of being feminists in fear that they will remain alone and perceived as manly. for some reason feminism is badly marketed and even males are very much afraid of women rights activists, it is all because the message society often projects for these women is that if you transcend above the cosmetics you will be of nobodys interest because the only interest in women is the sexual one. the 2nd aspect which was omitted for political- correct reasons or similar,is cultural boundaries. some traditional societies in the world (and here i shall not say which due to political correct) still raise women in illiteracy and ignorance to the basics . these women know nothing about their basic rights and they are the modern form of slavery. they are taught from a very young age that they are dirty and in some countries , such as Iran (and here im not being politically correct but it is true) women are executed as we speak for things that seem commonplace in the west. sure rape, abuse and discrimination exist in the west as well , but at least they are not defended by laws. at the same time as women fight for equal pay and opportunities they must never forget that in some parts of the world women are denied the basics. much more needed to be written about it and much more protest should be done against it. this is interesting and very enlightening. i also find it optimistic that women are still feminists in some parts of the world. at the same time there are 2 aspects which are not mentioned here the 1 is the global regression- females who are afraid to admit of being feminists in fear that they will remain alone and perceived as manly. for some reason feminism is badly marketed and even males are very much afraid of women rights activists, it is all because the message society often projects for these women is that if you transcend above the cosmetics you will be of nobodys interest because the only interest in women is the sexual one.
the 2nd aspect which was omitted for political- correct reasons or similar,is cultural boundaries. some traditional societies in the world (and here i shall not say which due to political correct) still raise women in illiteracy and ignorance to the basics . these women know nothing about their basic rights and they are the modern form of slavery. they are taught from a very young age that they are dirty and in some countries , such as Iran (and here im not being politically correct but it is true) women are executed as we speak for things that seem commonplace in the west. sure rape, abuse and discrimination exist in the west as well , but at least they are not defended by laws.
at the same time as women fight for equal pay and opportunities they must never forget that in some parts of the world women are denied the basics. much more needed to be written about it and much more protest should be done against it.

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