Comments on: The takeover of Jerusalem http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/ Join And Start Writing Today! Sat, 31 Jul 2010 06:44:42 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Friendly News http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/comment-page-1/#comment-2382 Friendly News Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:38:25 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2317#comment-2382 Matt, While I don't believe your focus on Israel is dictated by anything other than leftist politics, I do believe that others focus is. Your claim that you only see apologetics for Israel is not in touch with reality. You find openly anti-semitic articles in the west as the recent article published in a Swedish journal on organ stealing by the Israeli army and strong criticism of Israel, even in Israeli newspapers. Only a few american media outlets are pro-israel. Most european media outlets are pro-palestinian. Their are a few jewish nationalists that try to whitewash Israeli crimes but they don't come close to the number of Islamic nationalists that whitewash palestinian and arab crimes. So what the hell are you talking about? By the way, since when was Israel receiving aid through the british pound? And are you an American tax payer that you're so worried about where your "money" is going? And what is the reality exactly Matt? what I said above - "Israel is the most fascistic, evil country"? Matt,
While I don't believe your focus on Israel is dictated by anything other than leftist politics, I do believe that others focus is.
Your claim that you only see apologetics for Israel is not in touch with reality. You find openly anti-semitic articles in the west as the recent article published in a Swedish journal on organ stealing by the Israeli army and strong criticism of Israel, even in Israeli newspapers. Only a few american media outlets are pro-israel. Most european media outlets are pro-palestinian. Their are a few jewish nationalists that try to whitewash Israeli crimes but they don't come close to the number of Islamic nationalists that whitewash palestinian and arab crimes. So what the hell are you talking about?

By the way, since when was Israel receiving aid through the british pound? And are you an American tax payer that you're so worried about where your "money" is going?
And what is the reality exactly Matt? what I said above – "Israel is the most fascistic, evil country"?

]]> By: mattkennard http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/comment-page-1/#comment-2381 mattkennard Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:23:05 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2317#comment-2381 Reply------------------<br />From: IntenseDebate Notifications Reply——————
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]]> By: mattk http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/comment-page-1/#comment-2380 mattk Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:20:20 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2317#comment-2380 Friendly news, this is a common argument to which I always say the same thing. I write a lot about israel because its image is so at odds with reality. While u would never find an op-ed in a mainstream western newspaper defending the sexism and homophobia in saudi arabia, you constantly get apologetics for the massacre of palestinians, like in gaza in january. Therefore its important to set the record straight. Also, they do it all with the help of western taxpayer dollars and pounds, so we have a duty to speak out. Friendly news, this is a common argument to which I always say the same thing. I write a lot about israel because its image is so at odds with reality. While u would never find an op-ed in a mainstream western newspaper defending the sexism and homophobia in saudi arabia, you constantly get apologetics for the massacre of palestinians, like in gaza in january. Therefore its important to set the record straight. Also, they do it all with the help of western taxpayer dollars and pounds, so we have a duty to speak out.

]]> By: Friendly News http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/comment-page-1/#comment-2379 Friendly News Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:56:11 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2317#comment-2379 Isn't it interesting that 90 % of the left focus today is directed towards Israel. No country is more villified. Look at the comment factories tags. Israel is the most tagged. Look at Lenin Blog and he has pure propaganda against Israel. Israel is the most fascistic, evil country for most of these people. Yet when one takes a step back and looks at the whole middle east. When one looks at the rights of Israeli arabs compared to the rights of arabs in their respective countries. When one looks at where jews lived in the past to where they live now and compares that to where arabs lived in the past and where they live now. When on looks at human rights abuses, homophobia and oppression of women. It is hard to not connect the exhuberant criticism to something else besides leftist politics. Isn't it interesting that 90 % of the left focus today is directed towards Israel. No country is more villified. Look at the comment factories tags. Israel is the most tagged. Look at Lenin Blog and he has pure propaganda against Israel. Israel is the most fascistic, evil country for most of these people. Yet when one takes a step back and looks at the whole middle east. When one looks at the rights of Israeli arabs compared to the rights of arabs in their respective countries. When one looks at where jews lived in the past to where they live now and compares that to where arabs lived in the past and where they live now. When on looks at human rights abuses, homophobia and oppression of women. It is hard to not connect the exhuberant criticism to something else besides leftist politics.

]]> By: Leah Borromeo http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/comment-page-1/#comment-2363 Leah Borromeo Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:20:19 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2317#comment-2363 I'm enjoying the Kennard v Bob bitchfight more than the article. It's like watching silverback gorillas with sociology postgrads slamming their navels together...greased in oil. More...more...MORE!!! I'm enjoying the Kennard v Bob bitchfight more than the article.
It's like watching silverback gorillas with sociology postgrads slamming their navels together…greased in oil.
More…more…MORE!!!

]]> By: BOB http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/comment-page-1/#comment-2329 BOB Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:08:29 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2317#comment-2329 "when it is in fact the Israelis who have always wanted the West Bank" -- When you say the Israeli's do you mean the religious right or all the Israelis? I believe the palestinians have rejected peace in certain occasions as well as the Israelis. The situation is dynamic, with a long adverse history contributing to the complication of arriving at a peace deal. You can't take the Palestinian/Israeli conflict out of the realm of the Arab/Israeli conflict. Orwell is invoked and celebrated both by the Right and the Left. Why? Because he saw this "Anti humanness" on both sides and was open in his criticism of both sides. To not concede that point is not to understand Orwell at all or be blind to half his life work. "when it is in fact the Israelis who have always wanted the West Bank"
– When you say the Israeli's do you mean the religious right or all the Israelis?
I believe the palestinians have rejected peace in certain occasions as well as the Israelis. The situation is dynamic, with a long adverse history contributing to the complication of arriving at a peace deal. You can't take the Palestinian/Israeli conflict out of the realm of the Arab/Israeli conflict.
Orwell is invoked and celebrated both by the Right and the Left. Why?
Because he saw this "Anti humanness" on both sides and was open in his criticism of both sides. To not concede that point is not to understand Orwell at all or be blind to half his life work.

]]> By: MattKennard http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/comment-page-1/#comment-2326 MattKennard Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:37:03 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2317#comment-2326 But you have to see that to make an analysis of the situation based on the evidence is not to condone... I'm completely aware of the fact that Netanyahu-Lieberman are not looking out for the Palestinians one iota, but their imperial hubris -- they won't even give the lie of a Palestinian state -- is helpful in one instance: when you try attention to Israeli colonialism, because the US narrative is that Palestinians have rejected peace at every opportunity, when it is in fact the Israelis who have always wanted the West Bank, and this makes a Palestinian impossible.... But you have to see that to make an analysis of the situation based on the evidence is not to condone… I'm completely aware of the fact that Netanyahu-Lieberman are not looking out for the Palestinians one iota, but their imperial hubris — they won't even give the lie of a Palestinian state — is helpful in one instance: when you try attention to Israeli colonialism, because the US narrative is that Palestinians have rejected peace at every opportunity, when it is in fact the Israelis who have always wanted the West Bank, and this makes a Palestinian impossible….

]]> By: MattKennard http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/comment-page-1/#comment-2325 MattKennard Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:35:02 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2317#comment-2325 I agree with this... Nationalism is bullshit, completely anti-human I agree with this… Nationalism is bullshit, completely anti-human

]]> By: BOB http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/comment-page-1/#comment-2323 BOB Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:24:00 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2317#comment-2323 Orwell also writes in his essay about the two common forms of nationalism in England. Jingoism, a positive nationalism, and a negative nationalism found among the Intelligentsia -- Communism and Russophiles. Orwell writes about the two different nationalisms within the british community at the time, with seemingly contrasting goals -- "it is by noticing the points of resemblance between different and even seemingly opposed currents of thought that one can best get the matter into perspective. These forms of nationalism have evovled. The English Intelligentsia does not support Russia anymore but countries such as Iran, Qatar, Syria. There nationalism is more an anti-american one which they like to justify by saying "We're just critiqueing the superpower", irrevelant if their remarks are faceted in reality. I might also mention that for most of the part I agree with your piece. Orwell also writes in his essay about the two common forms of nationalism in England. Jingoism, a positive nationalism, and a negative nationalism found among the Intelligentsia — Communism and Russophiles. Orwell writes about the two different nationalisms within the british community at the time, with seemingly contrasting goals —
"it is by noticing the points of resemblance between different and even seemingly opposed currents of thought that one can best get the matter into perspective.
These forms of nationalism have evovled. The English Intelligentsia does not support Russia anymore but countries such as Iran, Qatar, Syria. There nationalism is more an anti-american one which they like to justify by saying "We're just critiqueing the superpower", irrevelant if their remarks are faceted in reality.

I might also mention that for most of the part I agree with your piece.

]]> By: BOB http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/comment-page-1/#comment-2324 BOB Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:23:48 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2317#comment-2324 My point exactly. These people do not want to see a resolution. They are nationalists. They can't see any good in the other side. As Orwell writes "By ‘nationalism’ I mean first of all the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’". My point exactly. These people do not want to see a resolution. They are nationalists. They can't see any good in the other side. As Orwell writes
"By ‘nationalism’ I mean first of all the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’".

]]> By: FR007 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/comment-page-1/#comment-2320 FR007 Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:32:59 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2317#comment-2320 "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place," - Sir Winston Churchill No room for dogs in the manger here my friend, no room. "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain
there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place," – Sir Winston Churchill

No room for dogs in the manger here my friend, no room.

]]> By: MattKennard http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-takeover-of-jerusalem-2317/comment-page-1/#comment-2316 MattKennard Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:47:04 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2317#comment-2316 "...is he makes it easier for us to bomb the Iranians"... Why would it be wrong for a "NeCon" to say this, I would agree with them, it's a correct analysis.... "…is he makes it easier for us to bomb the Iranians"… Why would it be wrong for a "NeCon" to say this, I would agree with them, it's a correct analysis….

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