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		<title>By: Dizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I hate to break it to you, but France and Britain have been, along with Germany, even (against whom both fought two brutally bloody wars) trying to create, albeit haltingly and in a makeshift manner, a single country, the EU. Of course, we can debate the country-hood of the EU till we&#039;re blue in the face, but the fact is that after literally centuries of war European countries are making a stalwart effort to forge a peaceful continent by wedding its respective nations together with trade and non-zero sum relationships.  
 
The problem with Israel and Palestine, however, is that both sides will have to make huge, but fair and necessary, concessions to become a single state. The Palestinians will have to give up aspirations of total territorial sovereignty, but will gain the right to have a voice in the government of the country that affects theirs lives the most: Israel. The Israelis will have to essentially redefine what it means to be an Israeli. Naturally, there&#039;s a lot that could go wrong and the sentences above fail to encompass anything close to a complete scope of the tradeoffs, especially in the integration of the two economies.  
 
But if you can give me an alternative that&#039;s not the two state solution, which seems to be going nowhere, I&#039;d really be interested in hearing it. My basic instinct is that Israel and Palestine have been a single state since 1967, just an unbelievably disfunctional one. It&#039;s much easier to go along with a 42 year trend of economic, infrastructal, and demographic development than to buck it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I hate to break it to you, but France and Britain have been, along with Germany, even (against whom both fought two brutally bloody wars) trying to create, albeit haltingly and in a makeshift manner, a single country, the EU. Of course, we can debate the country-hood of the EU till we&#039;re blue in the face, but the fact is that after literally centuries of war European countries are making a stalwart effort to forge a peaceful continent by wedding its respective nations together with trade and non-zero sum relationships.  </p>
<p>The problem with Israel and Palestine, however, is that both sides will have to make huge, but fair and necessary, concessions to become a single state. The Palestinians will have to give up aspirations of total territorial sovereignty, but will gain the right to have a voice in the government of the country that affects theirs lives the most: Israel. The Israelis will have to essentially redefine what it means to be an Israeli. Naturally, there&#039;s a lot that could go wrong and the sentences above fail to encompass anything close to a complete scope of the tradeoffs, especially in the integration of the two economies.  </p>
<p>But if you can give me an alternative that&#039;s not the two state solution, which seems to be going nowhere, I&#039;d really be interested in hearing it. My basic instinct is that Israel and Palestine have been a single state since 1967, just an unbelievably disfunctional one. It&#039;s much easier to go along with a 42 year trend of economic, infrastructal, and demographic development than to buck it.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 07:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Omri Preiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omri Preiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I went to France once, and everyone there was very nice and friendly (well, everyone who wasn&#039;t an asshole) - and I noticed that French people use words like &quot;hi&quot;, &quot;ok&quot;, &quot;weekend&quot;, &quot;cinema&quot;, and they also eat a lot of bread and chips. 
Then when I went to England I saw a lot of people who used French words like &quot;bon apetite&quot;, &quot;au contraire&quot; and &quot;je ne sais quoi&quot; - incidently they also drank French wine, and ate a lot of chips and bread.  
So I thought to myself - why not make France and England one country? Clearly there are no differences between the two.. and imagine what a better time Napoleon would have had if he didn&#039;t have to try to invade Britain... Maybe Americans who eat French fries should also receive a French citizenship on account of cultural affiliation... 
 
Look at the way Hamas and Fatah behave. You think Israelis are going to have a fun time being outnumbered 3 to 1 in a country run by nationalist or Islamic nationalist Arabs? Or maybe the EU would be willing to take 6 million Jewish refugees? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I went to France once, and everyone there was very nice and friendly (well, everyone who wasn&#039;t an asshole) &#8211; and I noticed that French people use words like &quot;hi&quot;, &quot;ok&quot;, &quot;weekend&quot;, &quot;cinema&quot;, and they also eat a lot of bread and chips.<br />
Then when I went to England I saw a lot of people who used French words like &quot;bon apetite&quot;, &quot;au contraire&quot; and &quot;je ne sais quoi&quot; &#8211; incidently they also drank French wine, and ate a lot of chips and bread.<br />
So I thought to myself &#8211; why not make France and England one country? Clearly there are no differences between the two.. and imagine what a better time Napoleon would have had if he didn&#039;t have to try to invade Britain&#8230; Maybe Americans who eat French fries should also receive a French citizenship on account of cultural affiliation&#8230; </p>
<p>Look at the way Hamas and Fatah behave. You think Israelis are going to have a fun time being outnumbered 3 to 1 in a country run by nationalist or Islamic nationalist Arabs? Or maybe the EU would be willing to take 6 million Jewish refugees?</p>
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		<title>By: peter williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>space is the great peace-maker;armies create was/police create crime;when we feed the uniforms-we dont better the System/to resolve crime andwars-we need to ensure every soul has the max opportunity to develop;ensure the system delivers education/[maybe even free]wand welfare[maybe even free;and transport systems-[,maybe even free]but not weapons/not soldiers/]we need legal reps for every citizen to ensure that no one transgresses against thee-this is the basis for good citizenship//but get crime and crude off tv-put money on space progs-notthe military. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>space is the great peace-maker;armies create was/police create crime;when we feed the uniforms-we dont better the System/to resolve crime andwars-we need to ensure every soul has the max opportunity to develop;ensure the system delivers education/[maybe even free]wand welfare[maybe even free;and transport systems-[,maybe even free]but not weapons/not soldiers/]we need legal reps for every citizen to ensure that no one transgresses against thee-this is the basis for good citizenship//but get crime and crude off tv-put money on space progs-notthe military.</p>
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		<title>By: Dizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making peace a matter of achieving long term social change that succeeds in reconciling each side to respect each other&#039;s common humanity. And, of course, there&#039;s the possibility that no solution will ever be found and that no scheme will bring both sides to better terms. Who knows? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making peace a matter of achieving long term social change that succeeds in reconciling each side to respect each other&#039;s common humanity. And, of course, there&#039;s the possibility that no solution will ever be found and that no scheme will bring both sides to better terms. Who knows?</p>
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		<title>By: FR007</title>
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		<dc:creator>FR007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 05:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idealist and dreamer in me loves you solution and longs for the day it would actually work. The defeatist, pragmatic in me finds it highly improbable, for reasons mentioned above and for what you yourself mentioned in your piece - fear, the fear of the &quot;fear&quot;, the fear of &quot;they&quot;. This has been instilled into every Israeli and Palestinian living there for generations now. This is the biggest adversary in the way of long lasting piece because you cannot negotiate with people you are afraid to trust.  
 
It is this fear that led to the partition of India between &quot;Muslim&quot; Pakistan and &quot;Hindu&quot; India. Politicians on both sides ofcourse are to be blamed a great deal for fear mongering is the easiest tool to win votes.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idealist and dreamer in me loves you solution and longs for the day it would actually work. The defeatist, pragmatic in me finds it highly improbable, for reasons mentioned above and for what you yourself mentioned in your piece &#8211; fear, the fear of the &quot;fear&quot;, the fear of &quot;they&quot;. This has been instilled into every Israeli and Palestinian living there for generations now. This is the biggest adversary in the way of long lasting piece because you cannot negotiate with people you are afraid to trust.  </p>
<p>It is this fear that led to the partition of India between &quot;Muslim&quot; Pakistan and &quot;Hindu&quot; India. Politicians on both sides ofcourse are to be blamed a great deal for fear mongering is the easiest tool to win votes.</p>
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		<title>By: BOB</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your solution might work if you look at the conflict only as Israeli/Palestinian. If you look at the conflict as Israeli/Arab the one state solution has no chance of working since no Israeli would give up their rights to be treated as citizens and especially minority citizens in arab countries are treated. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your solution might work if you look at the conflict only as Israeli/Palestinian. If you look at the conflict as Israeli/Arab the one state solution has no chance of working since no Israeli would give up their rights to be treated as citizens and especially minority citizens in arab countries are treated.</p>
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		<title>By: Dizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would respond by saying that the secularists, Sunnis, and Christians in Lebanon also, if asked, could fund some pretty serious firepower. Actually, sometimes I say that Israel is like a dysfunctional Lebanon. Also, opinion polls don&#039;t really interest me. I&#039;m talking about what will work in the long term. For one thing, any solution will have to be &quot;imposed&quot; from outside (just ask the average Israeli settler if he/she thinks that Obama&#039;s two state solution is an imposition, I&#039;d think any opinion poll would come out positive on that question). Bottom line: forced segregation isn&#039;t a solution either. It&#039;s giving up. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would respond by saying that the secularists, Sunnis, and Christians in Lebanon also, if asked, could fund some pretty serious firepower. Actually, sometimes I say that Israel is like a dysfunctional Lebanon. Also, opinion polls don&#039;t really interest me. I&#039;m talking about what will work in the long term. For one thing, any solution will have to be &quot;imposed&quot; from outside (just ask the average Israeli settler if he/she thinks that Obama&#039;s two state solution is an imposition, I&#039;d think any opinion poll would come out positive on that question). Bottom line: forced segregation isn&#039;t a solution either. It&#039;s giving up.</p>
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		<title>By: E_Z</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Wilson, 
 
It is great that you went to see and understand the conflict first hand.  What you seemed to have learned, perhaps, is that the Jews are a semitic people who have similar language to the Arabs.  However, your proposed solution &quot;a one state&quot; solution is unworkable.  It is unworkable for many reasons. One is history. Even before 1947, even before the holocaust, when the Peel Commission tried to resolve the conflict in the 1930&#039;s they suggested a partition.  That is because the violence of the majority Arabs against the Jews, who were then a minority, was rampant and barely controlled by the British.  A second reason is current example.  Lebanon is a de facto multi-religious state (one in which everyone is nominally &quot;arab&quot;.)  Yet, in Lebanon, a horrific civil war occurred for 15 years.  The only thing that prevents civil war again is the fact that one side (Shia Muslims) have access to overwhelming arms compared to other sides.  Thus, they have de facto rule.  Furthermore, civil wars due to religious differences are not just a ME phenomenon.  Look at the former Yugoslavia.  Do you want to try a one state solution there again?   Lastly, a one state solution is an externally imposed solution that ignores the desires (per public opinion polls) of both Israelis and Palestinians.  Isn&#039;t it the kind of cultural imperialism that people like you (I mean well-meaning Westerners) are supposed to be shunning these days??? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Wilson, </p>
<p>It is great that you went to see and understand the conflict first hand.  What you seemed to have learned, perhaps, is that the Jews are a semitic people who have similar language to the Arabs.  However, your proposed solution &quot;a one state&quot; solution is unworkable.  It is unworkable for many reasons. One is history. Even before 1947, even before the holocaust, when the Peel Commission tried to resolve the conflict in the 1930&#039;s they suggested a partition.  That is because the violence of the majority Arabs against the Jews, who were then a minority, was rampant and barely controlled by the British.  A second reason is current example.  Lebanon is a de facto multi-religious state (one in which everyone is nominally &quot;arab&quot;.)  Yet, in Lebanon, a horrific civil war occurred for 15 years.  The only thing that prevents civil war again is the fact that one side (Shia Muslims) have access to overwhelming arms compared to other sides.  Thus, they have de facto rule.  Furthermore, civil wars due to religious differences are not just a ME phenomenon.  Look at the former Yugoslavia.  Do you want to try a one state solution there again?   Lastly, a one state solution is an externally imposed solution that ignores the desires (per public opinion polls) of both Israelis and Palestinians.  Isn&#039;t it the kind of cultural imperialism that people like you (I mean well-meaning Westerners) are supposed to be shunning these days???</p>
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