Tuesday, Jun 18th, 2013

Interview: Noam Chomsky on US-Iran relations

Kourosh Ziabari talks to Professor Noam Chomsky about the fraught relationship between his country, Iran, and the United States

By on Monday, May 4th, 2009 - 953 words.

noamchomskyNoam Chomsky needs no introduction. He is the most significant sociopolitical analyst and lecturer of the contemporary era and “ranks with Marx, Shakespeare, and the Bible as one of the ten most quoted sources in the humanities, and is the only writer among them still alive” as said by the Guardian.

On Chomsky’s “Hegemony or Survival”, the Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez once told the reporters in a press conference that “I would like to invite you, very respectfully, to those who have not read this book, to read it.”

Answering to a 2006 interview question by the New Statesman’s correspondent Andrew Stephen on what would he had done if he were the U.S. president, Chomsky proposed: ” I would set up a War Crimes Tribunal for my own crimes, because if I take on that position [I would need] to deal with the institutional structure and the culture, the intellectual culture. The culture has to be cured.”

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KZ: You have stated several times that the majority of countries, including the members of Non-Aligned Movement, support the nuclear abilities of Iran, yet the American neo-cons are still hawkish. Why?

A: Not only the non-aligned movement, but also the large majority of Americans believe that Iran has the right to develop nuclear energy. But almost no one in the U.S. is aware of this. That includes those who are polled, and probably think they are the only ones who hold these beliefs.  Nothing is ever published about it. What appears in the media, constantly, is that the “international community” demands that Iran stop uranium enrichment. Almost nowhere is it brought out that the term “international community” is used conventionally to refer to Washington and whoever happens to go along with it, not just on this issue, but quite generally.

Q: Most of the analysts of international affairs cannot  understand the double standards of the U.S. government on nuclear weapons. While supporting the atomic arsenal of Israel, the U.S. continuously pressures Iran to halt its civilian nuclear programs. What are the reasons? Does the IAEA have the authority to probe into Israel’s atomic weaponry?

A: The basic point was explained very candidly by Henry Kissinger. He was asked by the Washington Post why he now claims that Iran does not need nuclear energy so it must be working on building a bomb, while in the 1970s he insisted forcefully that Iran needs nuclear energy and the U.S. must provide the Shah with the means to develop it. His answer was pure Kissinger: “They were an allied country” so they needed nuclear energy. Now they are not an ally, so they do not need nuclear energy. As for Israel, it is an ally, more accurately a client state. So they inherit from the master the right to do as they please.

IAEA has the authority, but the US would never permit them to exercise it.  The new U.S. administration has given no indication that it is any different.

Q: There are four states which have not yet ratified the NPT and freely pursue atomic weapons. Should it rescind its ratification and withdraw from the treaty?

A: No, that would simply escalate the pressures. Apart from North Korea, all of these countries receive extensive US support. The Reagan administration pretended it did not know that its ally Pakistan was developing nuclear weapons, so that the dictatorship could receive massive U.S. aid. The U.S. has agreed to assist India in developing its nuclear facilities, and Israel is a special case.

Q: What probable factors may hamper the establishment of direct talks between Iran and the U.S.? Is the influence of Israeli lobby over the corporate government of America a major one?

A: The Israeli lobby has some influence, but it is limited. That was demonstrated in the case of Iran, once again, last summer, during the presidential campaign, the time when the influence of lobbies is at its peak. The Israeli Lobby wanted Congress to pass legislation that came close to calling for a blockade of Iran, an act of war. The measure gained considerable support, but then suddenly disappeared, probably because the White House made it clear, quietly, that it was opposed.

As for the actual factors, we do not yet have adequate internal records, so it is necessary to speculate. We do know that a large majority of Americans want to have normal relations with Iran, but public opinion rarely influences policy.  Major US corporations, including the powerful energy corporations, would like to be able to exploit Iran’s petroleum resources. But the state insists otherwise. I presume that the main reason is that Iran is just too independent and disobedient. Great powers do not tolerate that in what they take to be their domains, and the world’s major energy-producing regions have long been considered the domain of the Anglo-American alliance, now with Britain reduced to junior partner.

Q: Will there be a transformation in the approach of American mainstream media toward Iran during the tenure of Mr. Obama? Should we expect a stop to the mass of anti-Iranian propaganda?

A: The media generally adhere fairly closely to the general framework of state policy, though policies are sometimes criticized on tactical grounds.  A lot, therefore, depends on the stand that the Obama administration will take.

Q: Finally, do you believe that the U.S. President should follow the Iranian proposal and apologize for its historical crimes against Iran?

A: I think that the powerful should always concede their crimes and apologize to the victims, in fact go much farther and provide reparations. Unfortunately, the world is largely governed by the maxim of Thucydides: the strong do as they wish, and the weak suffer as they must. Slowly, over time, the world is becoming more civilized, in general. But there is a long way to go.

8 Comments

  1. George Washington says:

    George Washington on Israel

    "A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification." ~George Washington Farewell Address

    "The nation which indulges toward another habitual hatred or habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interests." ~ George Washington

    "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson

  2. Art says:

    I find it interesting George Washington was alive to comment on Israel.
    How about entangling alliances with the part of the world that produces oil and nothing else, and exports Islam?

    What is it with the comment factory and it's obsession with Israel? Chomsky above states that:

    "The Israeli lobby has some influence, but it is limited. That was demonstrated in the case of Iran, once again, last summer, during the presidential campaign, the time when the influence of lobbies is at its peak. The Israeli Lobby wanted Congress to pass legislation that came close to calling for a blockade of Iran, an act of war. The measure gained considerable support, but then suddenly disappeared, probably because the White House made it clear, quietly, that it was opposed."

    Yet you have "Goerge Washington", like bush in with the Iraq war, trying to make his case with ad homenim attacks and tenuous links.

  3. Ryan W. says:

    "George Washington" – George Washington was dead long before Israel became a state, so of course your preference of drama over honest inquiry is evident on its face.

    The US was fairly isolationist till the development of nuclear weapons. At that point, having a nation which hates us getting nuclear weapons would make for a "Pearl Harbor" like the US has never seen.
    If it wasn't for Israel, Saddam would have had nuclear weapons during the gulf war.

    Where I agree with Chomsky is that there is really no such thing as international law. It's simply a series of conventions between nations which are often violated. Where I disagree with Chomsky is that this is something that can be cured without effectively handing a huge amount of power to rather brutal non-democratic states. People have rights. Nations don't have rights, except as they safeguard the rights of people.

  4. Canada says:

    Noam Chomsky – will he never shut up?

  5. EricIndiana says:

    I heard Chomsky on the radio the other day and he inspired me to promote my essay on Iran & it's nuclear ambitions, since the viewpoint I represent is completely ignored by the media:
    https://sites.google.com/site/iraniannukesidontca

  6. [...] In another weak moment I was pondering progress and whether in some sense people have become better, or the world has become better. It’s a huge topic of course, look it up through a Google search, “Is the world improving?” It will show you a lot of pessimism. On the other hand, Noam Chomsky, an unusually harsh critic (which is excellent since he knows and understands so much), said “Slowly, over time, the world is becoming more civilized, in general“. [...]

  7. Jasmine says:

    Noam Chomsky story is pretty classical and glad to learn about his respected works through time by. His works are inspiring indeed and to become a great writer I'm looking forward to follow his legacy. Thanks.

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Kourosh Ziabari

Born in the April 1990, Kourosh Ziabari is an Iranian freelance journalist and the author of Book "7+1". He is the contributing writer of websites and magazines in Netherlands, Canada, Italy, Hong Kong, Bulgaria, South Korea, Belgium, Germany, UK and the US, the member of Stony Brook University Publications' editorial team, a member of Media Left magazine's board of editors and a contributing editor of Finland's Ovi Magazinbe. As a young Iranian journalist, he has been interviewed and quoted by several mainstream mediums such as BBC world service, PBS Media Shift, The Media Line, Deutsch Financial Times, LA Times and Sky News so far. He is a political correspondent of Tehran Times newspaper and a contributing writer of Mehr News Agency.

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