Comments on: A hard bargain at Copenhagen http://www.thecommentfactory.com/a-hard-bargain-at-copenhagen-2545/ Join And Start Writing Today! Sat, 31 Jul 2010 06:44:42 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Debt Calculator http://www.thecommentfactory.com/a-hard-bargain-at-copenhagen-2545/comment-page-1/#comment-4290 Debt Calculator Fri, 14 May 2010 07:27:31 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2545#comment-4290 Hi there, may I quote some of the information here in this article if I reference you with a link back to your site? Hi there, may I quote some of the information here in this article if I reference you with a link back to your site?

]]> By: dizard http://www.thecommentfactory.com/a-hard-bargain-at-copenhagen-2545/comment-page-1/#comment-2992 dizard Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:23:40 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2545#comment-2992 No, neither you nor Evo Morales are thinking this idea through to its inevitable outcome. Here's the idea: step 1) create an international system of rules. step 2) ask rich countries to abide by them or listen to their rulings. step 3) watch the West's lawyers wiggle their clients' way though obligations, then claim to stand on sound legal ground. It's like saying: How about we set up a system of arbitration over international trade! We'll call it the World Trade Organization, and whatever it determines will, of course, be just and fair. And look how well that works out for poor countries. The answer: not well. Or you could just make it a kangaroo court for further publicity stunts. This would also be a waste of time and do nothing to help stop or alleviate climate change. No, neither you nor Evo Morales are thinking this idea through to its inevitable outcome. Here's the idea: step 1) create an international system of rules. step 2) ask rich countries to abide by them or listen to their rulings. step 3) watch the West's lawyers wiggle their clients' way though obligations, then claim to stand on sound legal ground. It's like saying: How about we set up a system of arbitration over international trade! We'll call it the World Trade Organization, and whatever it determines will, of course, be just and fair. And look how well that works out for poor countries. The answer: not well. Or you could just make it a kangaroo court for further publicity stunts. This would also be a waste of time and do nothing to help stop or alleviate climate change.

]]> By: matt http://www.thecommentfactory.com/a-hard-bargain-at-copenhagen-2545/comment-page-1/#comment-2976 matt Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:51:13 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2545#comment-2976 That's a very silly response. It's actually the best proposal I saw, if it had teeth. There's nothing token about it, it's a proposal. That's a very silly response. It's actually the best proposal I saw, if it had teeth. There's nothing token about it, it's a proposal.

]]> By: Wilson Dizard http://www.thecommentfactory.com/a-hard-bargain-at-copenhagen-2545/comment-page-1/#comment-2972 Wilson Dizard Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:09:06 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2545#comment-2972 Climate court, shlimate shmort. Actually, the proposal sounds almost obnoxious, a pretentious, ideological press release. Think about it: If the International Criminal Court can't actually prosecute the world's worst mass murdering leaders, then establishing a "climate court" to indict entire nations is just a waste of paper. A token gesture, in other words. Money, if delivered, could do something. "Binding" is actually meaningless anyway, at least for developed countries. There's no enforcement mechanism for the world's biggest emitters. International law is an advocacy tool with admirable intentions. But it can't get around the golden rule: Those with the gold make the rules. Climate court, shlimate shmort. Actually, the proposal sounds almost obnoxious, a pretentious, ideological press release.

Think about it: If the International Criminal Court can't actually prosecute the world's worst mass murdering leaders, then establishing a "climate court" to indict entire nations is just a waste of paper. A token gesture, in other words. Money, if delivered, could do something.

"Binding" is actually meaningless anyway, at least for developed countries. There's no enforcement mechanism for the world's biggest emitters. International law is an advocacy tool with admirable intentions. But it can't get around the golden rule: Those with the gold make the rules.

]]> By: matt http://www.thecommentfactory.com/a-hard-bargain-at-copenhagen-2545/comment-page-1/#comment-2968 matt Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:20:17 +0000 http://www.thecommentfactory.com/?p=2545#comment-2968 wilson -- don't you think these sums of money are just token gestures. they had to do something, and in absence of binding targets enforced by a climate court (as bolivia proposed) they essentially mean very little.... wilson — don't you think these sums of money are just token gestures. they had to do something, and in absence of binding targets enforced by a climate court (as bolivia proposed) they essentially mean very little….

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